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	<title>Comments on: Equal Opportunity Objectification, with Becks</title>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/05/a-lesson-in-equal-opportunity-objectification-with-becks/comment-page-1/#comment-82122</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think there has been the &quot;nya nya nya, now you know what it feels it to be objectified&quot; sentiment expressed.. or saying 2 wrongs make a right or similar..

I think this discussion has been more about the representation of male objectification in advertising, and how it is confronting, especially in thinking through the genders switching aspects of it was a non-male person depicted.

At a personal level I don&#039;t find Becks attractive either, nor would I like to be with someone who is physically similar to him.. but I am able to appreciate the aesthetics of him in the ad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think there has been the &#8220;nya nya nya, now you know what it feels it to be objectified&#8221; sentiment expressed.. or saying 2 wrongs make a right or similar..</p>
<p>I think this discussion has been more about the representation of male objectification in advertising, and how it is confronting, especially in thinking through the genders switching aspects of it was a non-male person depicted.</p>
<p>At a personal level I don&#8217;t find Becks attractive either, nor would I like to be with someone who is physically similar to him.. but I am able to appreciate the aesthetics of him in the ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Skada</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/05/a-lesson-in-equal-opportunity-objectification-with-becks/comment-page-1/#comment-82106</link>
		<dc:creator>Skada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll second what Melissa said.

And I&#039;d also like to add that I&#039;m tired of people saying or expecting that a guy like that is what women want.  (I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s necessarily happening here, on this blog, but just in general.)  I&#039;m a queer, pansexual, genderqueer person who was female-assigned-at-birth, so, to most people, I&#039;m a &quot;woman,&quot; and I don&#039;t want that.  I&#039;m definitely attracted to guys; most of my partners have been male, but Beckham is not at all what I find attractive.  Not only is the objectification not something I want to support, but I&#039;m tired of the erasure, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second what Melissa said.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d also like to add that I&#8217;m tired of people saying or expecting that a guy like that is what women want.  (I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s necessarily happening here, on this blog, but just in general.)  I&#8217;m a queer, pansexual, genderqueer person who was female-assigned-at-birth, so, to most people, I&#8217;m a &#8220;woman,&#8221; and I don&#8217;t want that.  I&#8217;m definitely attracted to guys; most of my partners have been male, but Beckham is not at all what I find attractive.  Not only is the objectification not something I want to support, but I&#8217;m tired of the erasure, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/05/a-lesson-in-equal-opportunity-objectification-with-becks/comment-page-1/#comment-82103</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 02:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see your points, but the truth is I&#039;m still firmly in the &quot;two wrongs don&#039;t make a right&quot; camp. (And yes, I know that you weren&#039;t arguing that they make a right, only that the second wrong makes everything sting a little less for the original wrongee, but still.)

I still believe that a world where women aren&#039;t objectified is possible. And starting to objectify men doesn&#039;t bring us any closer to that world. It brings us farther away. It&#039;s like how I hate that there are now starting to be difficult beauty standards men have to attain. Sure, part of me is reeeeeaaaally tempted to say &quot;nyah nyah now you know what it feels like!&quot; but the truth of the matter is that it just makes women&#039;s impossible beauty standards even more deeply ingrained. Digging the hole deeper. Which sucks for all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your points, but the truth is I&#8217;m still firmly in the &#8220;two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right&#8221; camp. (And yes, I know that you weren&#8217;t arguing that they make a right, only that the second wrong makes everything sting a little less for the original wrongee, but still.)</p>
<p>I still believe that a world where women aren&#8217;t objectified is possible. And starting to objectify men doesn&#8217;t bring us any closer to that world. It brings us farther away. It&#8217;s like how I hate that there are now starting to be difficult beauty standards men have to attain. Sure, part of me is reeeeeaaaally tempted to say &#8220;nyah nyah now you know what it feels like!&#8221; but the truth of the matter is that it just makes women&#8217;s impossible beauty standards even more deeply ingrained. Digging the hole deeper. Which sucks for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/05/a-lesson-in-equal-opportunity-objectification-with-becks/comment-page-1/#comment-82099</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 01:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Advertising is always tricky.. especially given the role of women as the usual body of objectification.. 
I do admit that I find it strange to be in two minds about watching and appreciating this ad, especially when if a similar ad was made for womens underwear, I know that a well known female athlete would not be used. Or even another woman who has had success in another field of endeavour that is not modelling.

however what I did notice about the ad, is that it still plays Becks being in control. Whether he be in his football uniform, or in his briefs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advertising is always tricky.. especially given the role of women as the usual body of objectification..<br />
I do admit that I find it strange to be in two minds about watching and appreciating this ad, especially when if a similar ad was made for womens underwear, I know that a well known female athlete would not be used. Or even another woman who has had success in another field of endeavour that is not modelling.</p>
<p>however what I did notice about the ad, is that it still plays Becks being in control. Whether he be in his football uniform, or in his briefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Cactus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cactus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s also interesting is that Beck&#039;s is very much in control of his brand and the image ye projects. Even though the ad plays off the idea of female gaze, Beckham still retains relatively more control than the unknown (or less well known) female models who appear in similar ads aimed at the male gaze. There are female celebrities who have fronted ad campaigns based on their &#039;star power&#039; but it&#039;s difficult to think of any.

*I don&#039;t know much about superbowl ads or US advertising so the above comment is only based on Beckham&#039;s ad and my own experience of UK tv and bilboard ads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s also interesting is that Beck&#8217;s is very much in control of his brand and the image ye projects. Even though the ad plays off the idea of female gaze, Beckham still retains relatively more control than the unknown (or less well known) female models who appear in similar ads aimed at the male gaze. There are female celebrities who have fronted ad campaigns based on their &#8216;star power&#8217; but it&#8217;s difficult to think of any.</p>
<p>*I don&#8217;t know much about superbowl ads or US advertising so the above comment is only based on Beckham&#8217;s ad and my own experience of UK tv and bilboard ads.</p>
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		<title>By: oh hells nah</title>
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		<dc:creator>oh hells nah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I usually scoff at this kind of crap and I have always purposely ignored conventionally attractive men(except for my boyfriend) to avoid further pumping their egos ...but I can&#039;t deny that I thought Beckham looked super hot. I felt very confused and manipulated. Haha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually scoff at this kind of crap and I have always purposely ignored conventionally attractive men(except for my boyfriend) to avoid further pumping their egos &#8230;but I can&#8217;t deny that I thought Beckham looked super hot. I felt very confused and manipulated. Haha.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/05/a-lesson-in-equal-opportunity-objectification-with-becks/comment-page-1/#comment-82076</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That commercial drew appreciation from the women at the party I attended, and actually sparked body building/tatoo conversations from some guys, so nobody was offended and everybody won.  And it was good to see the female rappers with Madonna, who didn&#039;t attempt to be &#039;the material girl&#039; but exuded confidence and power.  They really need to retire those polar bears however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That commercial drew appreciation from the women at the party I attended, and actually sparked body building/tatoo conversations from some guys, so nobody was offended and everybody won.  And it was good to see the female rappers with Madonna, who didn&#8217;t attempt to be &#8216;the material girl&#8217; but exuded confidence and power.  They really need to retire those polar bears however.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Joseph: I would much rather neither gender was into the lurid objectification game. But  if it&#039;s going to exist, I prefer that it not be entirely one-sided.

And to your point about being gay, just because you personally don&#039;t objectify women, as a man in our society it is still your privilege to NOT be leered at by the opposite gender in the way that women are. And hopefully what prevents you from treating women that way is not just your sexual orientation but that you realize it&#039;s wrong---i.e. you wouldn&#039;t do it even if you were sexually attracted to women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joseph: I would much rather neither gender was into the lurid objectification game. But  if it&#8217;s going to exist, I prefer that it not be entirely one-sided.</p>
<p>And to your point about being gay, just because you personally don&#8217;t objectify women, as a man in our society it is still your privilege to NOT be leered at by the opposite gender in the way that women are. And hopefully what prevents you from treating women that way is not just your sexual orientation but that you realize it&#8217;s wrong&#8212;i.e. you wouldn&#8217;t do it even if you were sexually attracted to women.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Tychonievich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Tychonievich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky
Just to clarify, I&#039;m not worrying about being subjected to a double standard (I&#039;m gay, any sexual objectifying I do is of men not women), and I&#039;m certainly not trying to say that because women do it too it is somehow okay when men do it. I&#039;m just saying it is not okay in either case, and a hard problem to solve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky<br />
Just to clarify, I&#8217;m not worrying about being subjected to a double standard (I&#8217;m gay, any sexual objectifying I do is of men not women), and I&#8217;m certainly not trying to say that because women do it too it is somehow okay when men do it. I&#8217;m just saying it is not okay in either case, and a hard problem to solve.</p>
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		<title>By: NessieMonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>NessieMonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m tempted to argue that it&#039;s not objectification per se that&#039;s the issue, rather it&#039;s how that objectification is completely skewed in favour of pleasing the male audience by playing off the social tropes that get critiqued on here.

The fact that men are allowed to have personalities and careers outside of their looks means that women &#039;objectifying&#039; men like Beckham or Jonny Depp know they have lives that don&#039;t solely rely on their being handsome. Becks&#039;s looks do have a lot to do with how successful he is now but he was famous first because of his footballing career with Manchester Utd. 

Men on the other hand, when faced with constant imagery of beautiful women who are famous or used in advertising solely for their looks, are taught to assume that those women have no &#039;real&#039; substance by manly man standards. Actresses with great careers often have much to attribute to their looks and there are some decidedly poor actresses who still do very well for themselves _because_ they embody the current beauty standard.

There&#039;s also the argument that men don&#039;t find women objectifying them threatening or demeaning the same way women would, because the man in question is usually starting from a position of perceived power (being white, male, heterosexual, able-bodied etc). Being admired like that gives them kudos because, clearly, they are going to get laid. Which, as we all know, is all men really want in this life. *sarcasm*. 

In that sense, then, this ad is still maintaining the status quo, even if it&#039;s giving women the chance to watch something they find interesting/attractive for a change. And it will do for the company exactly what they want it to, which is to raise interest and sales. They may even get the feminist women going &#039;oh, they can&#039;t be that bad, they put out pretty men for us&#039;. le sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tempted to argue that it&#8217;s not objectification per se that&#8217;s the issue, rather it&#8217;s how that objectification is completely skewed in favour of pleasing the male audience by playing off the social tropes that get critiqued on here.</p>
<p>The fact that men are allowed to have personalities and careers outside of their looks means that women &#8216;objectifying&#8217; men like Beckham or Jonny Depp know they have lives that don&#8217;t solely rely on their being handsome. Becks&#8217;s looks do have a lot to do with how successful he is now but he was famous first because of his footballing career with Manchester Utd. </p>
<p>Men on the other hand, when faced with constant imagery of beautiful women who are famous or used in advertising solely for their looks, are taught to assume that those women have no &#8216;real&#8217; substance by manly man standards. Actresses with great careers often have much to attribute to their looks and there are some decidedly poor actresses who still do very well for themselves _because_ they embody the current beauty standard.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the argument that men don&#8217;t find women objectifying them threatening or demeaning the same way women would, because the man in question is usually starting from a position of perceived power (being white, male, heterosexual, able-bodied etc). Being admired like that gives them kudos because, clearly, they are going to get laid. Which, as we all know, is all men really want in this life. *sarcasm*. </p>
<p>In that sense, then, this ad is still maintaining the status quo, even if it&#8217;s giving women the chance to watch something they find interesting/attractive for a change. And it will do for the company exactly what they want it to, which is to raise interest and sales. They may even get the feminist women going &#8216;oh, they can&#8217;t be that bad, they put out pretty men for us&#8217;. le sigh.</p>
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