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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/09/booknotes-the-secret-lives-of-wives/comment-page-1/#comment-82329</link>
		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@The Goldfish, I completely agree with you about the troubling way Krasnow frames &quot;abuse.&quot; She throws off &quot;of course you should get out of abusive marriages,&quot; in the text, but then profiles marriages in which abuse is happening in terms that make it clear she counts the marriage successful because it&#039;s lasted. o_O ... that characterization speaks so much louder than the direct words re: abuse in sanctioning and even celebrating women who stick out the ill-treatment and reform their man. 

I can&#039;t even ... I find that to be on the extreme end of the &quot;stick it out rather than negotiate new housework agreements&quot; spectrum. It&#039;s a really unforgivable gaslighting of unhealthy situations that women (especially) are already primed to ignore or feel responsible for in heterosexual partnerships. 

@Tall-in-Heels ... I tried not to get overly-personal in my review of Krasnow&#039;s arguments, but since she holds her own marriage up for examination in the book itself, it seems pretty fair game. And yes, I&#039;d agree with you that the work feels like a book-length justification of her life choices, which she appears to be still actively conflicted about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Goldfish, I completely agree with you about the troubling way Krasnow frames &#8220;abuse.&#8221; She throws off &#8220;of course you should get out of abusive marriages,&#8221; in the text, but then profiles marriages in which abuse is happening in terms that make it clear she counts the marriage successful because it&#8217;s lasted. o_O &#8230; that characterization speaks so much louder than the direct words re: abuse in sanctioning and even celebrating women who stick out the ill-treatment and reform their man. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even &#8230; I find that to be on the extreme end of the &#8220;stick it out rather than negotiate new housework agreements&#8221; spectrum. It&#8217;s a really unforgivable gaslighting of unhealthy situations that women (especially) are already primed to ignore or feel responsible for in heterosexual partnerships. </p>
<p>@Tall-in-Heels &#8230; I tried not to get overly-personal in my review of Krasnow&#8217;s arguments, but since she holds her own marriage up for examination in the book itself, it seems pretty fair game. And yes, I&#8217;d agree with you that the work feels like a book-length justification of her life choices, which she appears to be still actively conflicted about.</p>
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		<title>By: Tall-in-Heels</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/09/booknotes-the-secret-lives-of-wives/comment-page-1/#comment-82316</link>
		<dc:creator>Tall-in-Heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I read books like this is to try and understand what people who think like this get out of their portrayal of women and men and marriage in this fashion. This book failed insofar as I still don’t understand it.&lt;/i&gt;

From how you described the anecdotes about the author&#039;s own marriage, it sort of sounds like the book was, at least in part, an attempt to validate her own choices and life path?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I read books like this is to try and understand what people who think like this get out of their portrayal of women and men and marriage in this fashion. This book failed insofar as I still don’t understand it.</i></p>
<p>From how you described the anecdotes about the author&#8217;s own marriage, it sort of sounds like the book was, at least in part, an attempt to validate her own choices and life path?</p>
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		<title>By: The Goldfish</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/09/booknotes-the-secret-lives-of-wives/comment-page-1/#comment-82314</link>
		<dc:creator>The Goldfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;While Krasnow includes handful of throw-away lines to the effect that some marriages are abusive and should end...&quot;

Trouble is, people in outright abusive marriages usually fail to identify them as such, especially when relationships are framed as *either* wonderful, reasons-for-living or else completely hellish without a moment&#039;s respite.

All these cultural messages - the reason you&#039;re unhappy is you, not him, you have to change/ make allowances/ negotiate/ make yourself attractive and loveable - are a huge part of why I stayed with my ex so long, even with the violence. Because I felt that it was somehow my role, and within my power, to fix it. 

And although I daresay Krasnow would give me a pass because there was physical violence, that was just the extreme end of a whole host of behaviours which everyone should regard as utterly intolerable. And that&#039;s before we get into the fact that some relationships between good and caring people simply run their course...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While Krasnow includes handful of throw-away lines to the effect that some marriages are abusive and should end&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Trouble is, people in outright abusive marriages usually fail to identify them as such, especially when relationships are framed as *either* wonderful, reasons-for-living or else completely hellish without a moment&#8217;s respite.</p>
<p>All these cultural messages &#8211; the reason you&#8217;re unhappy is you, not him, you have to change/ make allowances/ negotiate/ make yourself attractive and loveable &#8211; are a huge part of why I stayed with my ex so long, even with the violence. Because I felt that it was somehow my role, and within my power, to fix it. </p>
<p>And although I daresay Krasnow would give me a pass because there was physical violence, that was just the extreme end of a whole host of behaviours which everyone should regard as utterly intolerable. And that&#8217;s before we get into the fact that some relationships between good and caring people simply run their course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Skada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for writing this awesome review.  As someone who had a failed marriage (four months, woo!) that began and ended with being physically assaulted, I get *furious* when people, especially authors (who reach a wide audience) act like there&#039;s nothing worse than being single.  You know what&#039;s worse than being single?  Being in a marriage with someone who beats the shit out of you.  Or being dead.

This book makes me think of &lt;a href=&quot;http://bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-forty-beads&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forty Beads&lt;/a&gt;, which is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a compliment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this awesome review.  As someone who had a failed marriage (four months, woo!) that began and ended with being physically assaulted, I get *furious* when people, especially authors (who reach a wide audience) act like there&#8217;s nothing worse than being single.  You know what&#8217;s worse than being single?  Being in a marriage with someone who beats the shit out of you.  Or being dead.</p>
<p>This book makes me think of <a href="http://bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-forty-beads" rel="nofollow">Forty Beads</a>, which is <i>not</i> a compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clearly I should re-check my pants to see what (binarous) gender I should be.. Coz by your description of the book and the way the author depicts gender, I clearly would not be a woman!

I&#039;m so glad you read and reported back on the book. Another one I can put in to the &quot;read for me - anger causing&quot; pile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly I should re-check my pants to see what (binarous) gender I should be.. Coz by your description of the book and the way the author depicts gender, I clearly would not be a woman!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad you read and reported back on the book. Another one I can put in to the &#8220;read for me &#8211; anger causing&#8221; pile.</p>
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		<title>By: BeckySharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeckySharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m grateful that you read this book so I don&#039;t have to, Anna. I strongly suspect that your analysis of the book is, in fact, better and more insightful than the book itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m grateful that you read this book so I don&#8217;t have to, Anna. I strongly suspect that your analysis of the book is, in fact, better and more insightful than the book itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Anelle</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/02/09/booknotes-the-secret-lives-of-wives/comment-page-1/#comment-82300</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Anelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s this I don&#039;t even.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s this I don&#8217;t even&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Pirra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pirra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As soon as I see a book has received the Smeyerfication cover, I avoid it like the plague*. 

Judging from your review seems my first impression wasn&#039;t too far off the mark. A non-paranormalish Twilight for the 35+  market. Both women seem to be preaching the same thing. Even if he&#039;s a monster, even if he&#039;s psychologically abusive and manipulative, it&#039;s totes okay cause you&#039;re a girl and girls have to be married IT&#039;S THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS... Blergh! 
Thank you for reading this so I can now happily avoid it. 






(*With the exception of classics, though I seek out the normal covers for any I don&#039;t already own or am replacing due to decay)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I see a book has received the Smeyerfication cover, I avoid it like the plague*. </p>
<p>Judging from your review seems my first impression wasn&#8217;t too far off the mark. A non-paranormalish Twilight for the 35+  market. Both women seem to be preaching the same thing. Even if he&#8217;s a monster, even if he&#8217;s psychologically abusive and manipulative, it&#8217;s totes okay cause you&#8217;re a girl and girls have to be married IT&#8217;S THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS&#8230; Blergh!<br />
Thank you for reading this so I can now happily avoid it. </p>
<p>(*With the exception of classics, though I seek out the normal covers for any I don&#8217;t already own or am replacing due to decay)</p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
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		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kate, 

I agree so whole-heartedly about this aspect of her story. This sort of negotiation is the stuff of living together. I mean, hell, my parter and I do it even though we&#039;re both women and don&#039;t have children. Not everyone has the same house-keeping expectations or awareness of what must be done, or what their partner would like to be done, at home. It takes communication and compromise.

I kept waiting for Krasnow to talk about that, and instead she rendered it completely invisible. The message to women was to just keep your mouth shut and your head down and it would get better when the kids were grown up.

I&#039;m like o_O??!?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kate, </p>
<p>I agree so whole-heartedly about this aspect of her story. This sort of negotiation is the stuff of living together. I mean, hell, my parter and I do it even though we&#8217;re both women and don&#8217;t have children. Not everyone has the same house-keeping expectations or awareness of what must be done, or what their partner would like to be done, at home. It takes communication and compromise.</p>
<p>I kept waiting for Krasnow to talk about that, and instead she rendered it completely invisible. The message to women was to just keep your mouth shut and your head down and it would get better when the kids were grown up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m like o_O??!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;She describes her frustration at making breakfasts and lunches for the entire family while her husband sat at the breakfast table with the paper, ignoring the chaos around him, and then disappeared to work leaving her to clean the house and care for the kids. She describes calling her mother and announcing her intention to leave her husband — because anything would be better than the status quo.&quot;

You know what I do when I get frustrated that my husband isn&#039;t helping more? I tell him he needs to help more. We have a three month old and a 2.75 year old and with a new baby I just can&#039;t everything done the way I used to. I would prefer that it didn&#039;t require a request from me but until he&#039;s used to the &quot;new normal&quot; that&#039;s what it takes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She describes her frustration at making breakfasts and lunches for the entire family while her husband sat at the breakfast table with the paper, ignoring the chaos around him, and then disappeared to work leaving her to clean the house and care for the kids. She describes calling her mother and announcing her intention to leave her husband — because anything would be better than the status quo.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know what I do when I get frustrated that my husband isn&#8217;t helping more? I tell him he needs to help more. We have a three month old and a 2.75 year old and with a new baby I just can&#8217;t everything done the way I used to. I would prefer that it didn&#8217;t require a request from me but until he&#8217;s used to the &#8220;new normal&#8221; that&#8217;s what it takes.</p>
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