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Wee Ones + Online Society: Discuss

Posted by annajcook in Discussion Time, Children, Internet and Society, Parenting, Politics, The Internet Is Important on Jun 14, 2012, 8:00am | 6 comments
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are children part of the (virtual) public commons? should they be?

There’s been some discussion recently about Facebook making it possible for people under the age of thirteen to open accounts and create personal profiles at the popular social networking site. Predictably, many people have Strong Feelings about this possibility. They’re concerned about cyberbullying and social isolation, about predatory marketing towards children who don’t yet have strong media literacy skills. They’re concerned about kids spending too much time on the Internets instead of outside where, it’s assumed, they’ll have higher-quality interactions and participate in more healthful activities.

(Why is it always “outside”? When my mother was a child she used to be harassed by her parents for spending too much time with her nose in a book instead of our skiing or swimming or playing on the playground. These arguments for what’s acceptable or appropriate childhood pastimes predate the internet by decades, if not centuries!)

I have some Strong Feelings myself about this debate, although those feelings are very muddled. On the one hand, I am sympathetic to the desire expressed by adults to establish childhood has a time and place for children to develop as human beings, with (in an ideal world!) stronger support and protections than most adults have.  My parents were very mindful about the amount of time we kids / the family watched television and/or played computer games (“online” time was not an issue, since we didn’t have Internet access at home until I was in college). As our parents, they exerted adult authority to participate in decision-making regarding age-appropriate media consumption. So I get where the anti-Facebookers are coming from, at least in part.

But there are ways in which the debate is making me edgy. To whit:

1) Why is it Facebook’s responsibility to limit participation to those over thirteen? Detractors are up in arms that Facebook is considering expanding user access to a younger audience, albeit with accounts that are tethered (it appears) to parents’ accounts. They believe this shouldn’t be allowed. Isn’t it up to individual families what is right for their youthful computer users? Arguing that Facebook, as a company, should be responsible for limiting children’s access to their social networking tools, seems analogous to arguments that television, movie, and video game producers should be responsible for limiting children’s access to their products. If parents don’t like what their children are watching on television, they always have the options to destroy, lock up, or simply not purchase a television and/or cable package. If parents don’t want their kids on Facebook, they can exert parental authority and say no. I might think that’s a shit way of influencing your kids (more likely to encourage subversion than compliance), but in the United States we allow parents a great deal of control over what their children have access to — and parents are definitely allowed to veto their children’s access to the ‘net.

2) To what extent is social media now part of our public commons? What are the implications of excluding children from (virtual) public spaces? I’ve written at great length elsewhere about the importance of children’s access to public spaces without being hated on by adults for being different and/or for being at a different developmental capacity. I believe as citizens we have a responsibility to make public spaces accessible to all – including children and youth. Granted, there are serious discussions to be had about whether Facebook — as a private company — constitutes a “public commons,” and whether the Internet is a “public space.” At the same time, I think it’s important to acknowledge that, increasingly, our online and “real world” social lives overlap. I spend 8+ hours per day in close proximity to a computer / online environment due to the nature of my work. I use Twitter, email, Google Reader, Facebook, Tumblr, and chat interfaces to communicate with family and friends, most of whom I also communicate with offline.

To some extent, a conversation is a conversation is a conversation, whether it happens via email, chat, Facebook, or over coffee at the local coffeehouse.  I realize that we shell out millions of dollars annually to study how dissimilar the Internet modes of communication are from all previous forms of communication — but I honestly believe that sooner or later we’ll quit wringing our hands about the novelty of delivery system and realize that it’s content that counts, not the packaging it comes in.  Children are growing up in an age wherein computing technology and the Internet landscape computers make possible will be an increasingly integrated part of our daily lives. So there’s an argument to be made that exploring that landscape with them is analogous to taking them on trips to the grocery store, or introducing them to the public library. Instead, it seems like many adults still think that children + internet connection = PRON and VIOLENCE. I’d like to see us get beyond that level of moral panic and actually discuss how to support children’s participation in multi-generational spaces as opposed to age-segregated ones.

(Not to mention the unspoken assumption in these conversations that children are exposed to sex and violence online but not in real life which just goes to show the class and social privilege that pervades such debates. For some kids, virtual spaces are a haven from real-world social isolation, bullying, and abuse. These children rarely figure in the adult-centric discussions about child-appropriate Internet use.)

3) Why do we use the language of addictive behavior for technology and/or assume computer use is a “bad habit” children people need be protected from? When people raise concerns about young peoples’ media consumption and/or technology use, they overwhelmingly employ the language and framing of harmful addiction. They talk about brain chemistry and habit formation and about how children will get sucked into online environments to the detriment of other activities (see my aside about the importance of “outside” play above). My sense is that much of this concern (trolling?) is not actually about the child or children under discussion, but about what the adult doing the talking wishes for themselves, now or in some idealized Childhood-that-never-was. When a person holds court about young people being sucked in the drama of social media, or not getting enough real-world playtime, I hear a) that the grown-up in question wishes they felt more in control over their own virtual interactions, and b) they feel helpless about the positive power of real-world interaction to compete/co-exist with virtual interactions.

As grown-ups, we should be modeling the sort of life interactions, social skills, and self-care we want the next generation(s) to adopt, learn from, and improve upon. If we feel that computerized interactions are inferior to face-to-face interpersonal time, the first thing we need to do is get our own house in order rather than turn around and police the dependent, vulnerable, and marginalized by concern-trolling their online habits (via, it should be noted, blogging online!). To my ears, hand-wringing about children’s use of technology is most often a proxy for hand-wringing about our own discomfort with the virtual world.

Bottom line: I don’t see this as something Facebook, or any other social networking platform, has a responsibility to police. Rather, it’s something that should be worked out within families in the manner we work out most other questions of children’s personal autonomy vs. parental rights and duties to protect and foster the well-being of their young. And grown-ups who fear what social media is doing to the quality of human interactions should look first and foremost to their own lives and think about what social media does and doesn’t do for them.

Personally? I’m grateful that the Internet has made possible the level of continued connection I have with my family and friends, near and far, and the way it keeps me hooked into political and intellectual circles that I would not otherwise have the time or social stamina to interact with. There’s an overdue post in here somewhere about how, given my personality and temperament, I have much more energy to think and talk with people about ethical and social justice issues online (via text) rather than in-person, where I burn out almost instantly — especially in groups involving more than two or three people to concentrate on (which is why the best classes in undergrad and grad school were also the most draining!).  The point is, there are children like me growing up in the world right now. Children for whom textual communication is their strength, and playing outside on the playground with large, chaotic groups of children is not. Those children are probably content to spend 8+ hours a day reading, writing, drawing, online and off, possibly going out for a solitary game in the back garden when they feel like it, or helping an adult bake bread in the kitchen, perhaps having a good friend over to play quietly together for a few hours, or composing an email to a pen-friend, or playing a collaborative online game together. Talking with a grandparent over Skype or exploring the local library’s online catalog. These are all things I either recall doing as a child, or would have done had the technology existed. And I don’t think any of them are inherently damaging.

Discuss, Harpies! What do you think about the (virtual) commons, and children’s participation therein? If you are a parent, or interact regularly with young people, what observations do you have about the under-twelves interacting in virtual spaces? If you were under twelve with access to the Internet, what are your observations from first-hand experience? Are you happy with the balance of online/offline social interactions in your life? If not, what efforts do you make to alter that balance? I hereby cede the floor.

6 Responses to “Wee Ones + Online Society: Discuss”

  1. rodriguez says:
    June 14, 2012 at 10:10 am

    I’ve always been really loose about this with my kids. I don’t look over their shoulders at their online lives. I feel like they need to choose their interests and paths, and they need to have space where I don’t determine everything.

    When my daughter was around 10ish she got involved in the fandom around Sonic the Hedgehog. I was a little flipped out by some of the fan art people posted. It was quite violent. I think this is an outgrowth of video game culture: I find it violent. I tried to stop her, but she snuck around anyway. So then, I abandoned that strategy. I would just ask her to show me some stuff sometimes, and I would add my comments.

    Other parents frequently refer to online bullying. I don’t mean to minimize questions of bullying, which is certainly a serious problem. However, that has not been my kids primary experience, and so, in that case, I am glad to let them explore their online selves.

    The one rule I did lay down was this: “You will never ever meet any of your online friends.” That was iron-clad.

    Now my kids are 20 and 17, and so this rule can’t realistically apply anymore. So when they head out to meet ups with their online friends I say: “Buddy system! Public places only!”

  2. wondering says:
    June 14, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Before FB was invented, there were still ways for young people to interact with other people online. We run a political roleplaying forum connected to an online game. While mostly adults participated, we also got children as young as 9 who wanted to participate. We could usually tell who the children were, even though we didn’t ask ages, but in time we grew to be friends/mentors and even occasionally helped with homework! We’ve watched them grow up and into themselves and it has been really rewarding – especially the ones who go into political science and what not, since it feels like we directly influenced them.

    We communicated with some of their parents to reassure them that their children weren’t interacting with predators, but most of them didn’t seem to be worried at all about them virtually hanging with people old enough to be their parents.

  3. baraqiel says:
    June 14, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Realistically, the debate over facebook opening up to children is only pertinent to a fairly narrow age window — this only matters for kids who are old enough to be able to read and type but too young to have figured out that they can just lie about their age on the sign-up form.

    A couple of other observations: any effort on the part of adults to control the access of the young to the internet is doomed to fail unless it actually involves individual restrictions on access to hardware. The vast, vast majority of older people aren’t tech savvy enough. Even as a digital native who is not yet so old (I hope…), I’m not 100% confident that I have a good grasp on how people younger than I am spend their time online.

    Also, as it pertains to the internet, efforts to curtail the freedoms of adults in the name of protecting children have been relatively unsuccessful overall. Frankly, there’s just not much on most adult-oriented websites to interest most very young children and there’s enough content directed straight at them that I don’t think it’s likely to ever be a problem. Instead, my concerns regarding young people online have more to do with protecting adults from obnoxious teenagers. :-/

  4. BeckySharper says:
    June 14, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    I think the internet is an amazing resource for young people, particularly young people who might otherwise be socially isolated because of external factors (living rurally, for example, or in a place where they don’t speak the local language) or internal ones (being trans, gay, nerdy, or any other type of non stereotype conforming). To that end, having an expanded social commons can be tremendously valuable.

    As for the “safety” issue, I’m with Anna. If you want to know what your kids are doing on the internet, pay attention and impose limits—just as parents do for every other fucking thing their kid/tween/teen does. I get irritated when parents complain that their children are more internet savvy than they are or they can’t monitor their child because they simply don’t know how to use the software. Educate yourself, parents! Your kids aren’t smarter than you are, you’re just willfully ignorant and lazier than they are and they’re counting on that.

  5. Danika @ The Lesbrary says:
    June 15, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    This seems like an odd argument to me, because it seems to be about whether kids should be online or not, when there’s plenty of other places to be online than Facebook. If I wanted to be on Facebook as a kid, I would just lie.

    Also, I hate the idea that “outside”=good/safe and internet=bad/unsafe. I was a really anxious kid, and I was also really into the internet, because it was a way to interact that didn’t make me nervous. My mom would try to limit my time online (mostly Neopets). That actually led to me conquering my anxiety around being home alone, because when my mom went out I could be on Neopets all I wanted. The internet helped me become more confident and happier as a kid. It’s not all doom and gloom.

  6. mischiefmanager says:
    June 16, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    We were recently in some very rural parts of Vermont, and I was thinking some of the same things that Becky says-how much less narrow the world must be now for kids who live in remote areas.

    I do think, Anna, that you’re being a little hard on parents who have genuine, valid concerns about what their kids may encounter on the internet. You don’t need to read reddit to know that way too many people use a screen name to act in ways we can only hope they don’t replicate irl. Cyber-bullying, posting of material that was intended to be private, sexual and financial predators-these are all real dangers. And there is quite a lot of content that is not age-appropriate for young kids. I have always felt that pictures can be a lot more upsetting than words, and once you see a photo or a drawing or a video, it can’t be unseen.

    However, part of parenting is teaching your kids how to deal with potentially dangerous situations. We don’t keep our kids locked up inside because there are bad people outside the house, and keeping them off the internet won’t work either. I think if I were raising a kid now I’d be very active in monitoring the kid’s activity and probably not allow the kid to have a laptop in his or her room until I had a sense that the kid knew when something was off or dangerous. That said, kids are growing and make mistakes in judgment, so I think parents have to rachet down the tension and treat bad computer experiences as learning experiences. Computer capability is just going to expand, and if you and your kid can work together in exploring and setting limits, that would probably result in the highest adherence rate.

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