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		<title>By: Anka</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/06/25/on-aging-a-commenter-roundtable/comment-page-1/#comment-89408</link>
		<dc:creator>Anka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My feminism has helped me to realize that it would be a bad idea to become my 60-something-year-old, manipulative, alcoholic, Narcissistic/sociopathic, you-name-it-type-of-abusive, widowed father&#039;s caretaker, and that it&#039;s not going to happen. I am in my early thirties, and my husband and I moved to another country in part to be away from the toxic miasma that is what is left of my family of origin after my mother died. 

Maybe because I am the oldest daughter (though I have a younger sister), or maybe because it&#039;s my traditional family role as scapegoat/caretaker/shock absorber/black sheep, but my father told me that he expects me to take care of him when he&#039;s older. I&#039;ve even heard some noise from family friends to the effect of, &quot;but how could you move so far away?? How will you TAKE CARE OF YOUR FATHER??&quot; 

Considering that his forging my signature on checks with my name for a bank account I never opened (that I accidentally saw at his house before he whisked them out of sight and denied their existence) is one of the more benign things he&#039;s done, and that he feigns helplessness in order to get favors, including financial favors, and actually enjoyed our distress when he covertly limited our access to food when we visited him last, I don&#039;t feel any responsibility towards his upkeep in any way. Do I really have to take care of someone who enjoys trying to starve me just for kicks? (no)

It&#039;s not even enough that the burnout from the drugs and alcohol may turn his feigned helplessness real in the next few years. I would NEVER move closer to him to take care of him, or allow his hoarded filth to enter my house (it&#039;s been hard enough trying to get away from it in the first place, and to understand that it&#039;s not my responsibility, and that I couldn&#039;t make it go away if I tried), or sink any more money or effort into a relationship where only one of us acts like a human and ever has. 

I would CERTAINLY never quit my job to take care of him (incidentally, this is what my Borderline/Narcissist mother expected of me when she got cancer my first year out of uni; I was also supposed to move in and somehow pay rent to make up for all the first eighteen or so years that my existence constituted a drain on their finances. I didn&#039;t do it.). Part of my resistance to her then and to him now was for pure survival reasons, and part of it was the feminist idea that maybe I&#039;m more than my ability to sacrifice and caretake. Maybe I&#039;m allowed to put my oxygen mask on FIRST (i.e. keep my job and make sure I can take care of myself, and not derail my survival/healing because of the women&#039;s draft.) Maybe I don&#039;t *have* to keep trying to put it first on someone else who keeps ripping it off and trying to take away mine, at all....

Anyway, feminism helped me reclaim my life in unexpected ways. Feminism taught me that even if you unknowingly spent the first part of your life in thrall to toxic people, you do NOT have to spend the rest of it in thrall to them, even if everyone tells you you do. People don&#039;t necessarily get nicer or less abusive as they age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feminism has helped me to realize that it would be a bad idea to become my 60-something-year-old, manipulative, alcoholic, Narcissistic/sociopathic, you-name-it-type-of-abusive, widowed father&#8217;s caretaker, and that it&#8217;s not going to happen. I am in my early thirties, and my husband and I moved to another country in part to be away from the toxic miasma that is what is left of my family of origin after my mother died. </p>
<p>Maybe because I am the oldest daughter (though I have a younger sister), or maybe because it&#8217;s my traditional family role as scapegoat/caretaker/shock absorber/black sheep, but my father told me that he expects me to take care of him when he&#8217;s older. I&#8217;ve even heard some noise from family friends to the effect of, &#8220;but how could you move so far away?? How will you TAKE CARE OF YOUR FATHER??&#8221; </p>
<p>Considering that his forging my signature on checks with my name for a bank account I never opened (that I accidentally saw at his house before he whisked them out of sight and denied their existence) is one of the more benign things he&#8217;s done, and that he feigns helplessness in order to get favors, including financial favors, and actually enjoyed our distress when he covertly limited our access to food when we visited him last, I don&#8217;t feel any responsibility towards his upkeep in any way. Do I really have to take care of someone who enjoys trying to starve me just for kicks? (no)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even enough that the burnout from the drugs and alcohol may turn his feigned helplessness real in the next few years. I would NEVER move closer to him to take care of him, or allow his hoarded filth to enter my house (it&#8217;s been hard enough trying to get away from it in the first place, and to understand that it&#8217;s not my responsibility, and that I couldn&#8217;t make it go away if I tried), or sink any more money or effort into a relationship where only one of us acts like a human and ever has. </p>
<p>I would CERTAINLY never quit my job to take care of him (incidentally, this is what my Borderline/Narcissist mother expected of me when she got cancer my first year out of uni; I was also supposed to move in and somehow pay rent to make up for all the first eighteen or so years that my existence constituted a drain on their finances. I didn&#8217;t do it.). Part of my resistance to her then and to him now was for pure survival reasons, and part of it was the feminist idea that maybe I&#8217;m more than my ability to sacrifice and caretake. Maybe I&#8217;m allowed to put my oxygen mask on FIRST (i.e. keep my job and make sure I can take care of myself, and not derail my survival/healing because of the women&#8217;s draft.) Maybe I don&#8217;t *have* to keep trying to put it first on someone else who keeps ripping it off and trying to take away mine, at all&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway, feminism helped me reclaim my life in unexpected ways. Feminism taught me that even if you unknowingly spent the first part of your life in thrall to toxic people, you do NOT have to spend the rest of it in thrall to them, even if everyone tells you you do. People don&#8217;t necessarily get nicer or less abusive as they age.</p>
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		<title>By: Endora</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/06/25/on-aging-a-commenter-roundtable/comment-page-1/#comment-89214</link>
		<dc:creator>Endora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to say that this was a really touching and interesting read. Thanks, y&#039;all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that this was a really touching and interesting read. Thanks, y&#8217;all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/06/25/on-aging-a-commenter-roundtable/comment-page-1/#comment-89186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When it has come to helping provide day to day care of my parents (who are divorced and comes with it its own special problems because their relationship is fractuous), I have let my younger brothers and sisters step up to the plate. It helps that my parents are not in a situation where they are unable to take care of themselves on a day to day basis.

I looked after my younger brothers and sisters for much of my life (including financially when I left home), and I am cared out. I was &quot;drafted&quot; to care for them whilst my parents were together, and was listed as a legal guardian after the divorce for them as well.

So when it comes to issues of the care requirements of my parents, I find that I purposely do not engage when it comes to my parents care needs. If I did engage it would mean I would be dragged into the miasma of family politics with all attendant issues - so I stay clear. 
I want my parents to be good health wise, and that&#039;s about it.

As for aging, I have found that feminism has given me an enourmous freedom to explore who I am at different ages and periods in my life. Whilst I do have my issues with the patriarchy and how I get around in life, I have found that having a great group of friends who have similar ideas around the patriarchy and gendered norms is a great salve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it has come to helping provide day to day care of my parents (who are divorced and comes with it its own special problems because their relationship is fractuous), I have let my younger brothers and sisters step up to the plate. It helps that my parents are not in a situation where they are unable to take care of themselves on a day to day basis.</p>
<p>I looked after my younger brothers and sisters for much of my life (including financially when I left home), and I am cared out. I was &#8220;drafted&#8221; to care for them whilst my parents were together, and was listed as a legal guardian after the divorce for them as well.</p>
<p>So when it comes to issues of the care requirements of my parents, I find that I purposely do not engage when it comes to my parents care needs. If I did engage it would mean I would be dragged into the miasma of family politics with all attendant issues &#8211; so I stay clear.<br />
I want my parents to be good health wise, and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>As for aging, I have found that feminism has given me an enourmous freedom to explore who I am at different ages and periods in my life. Whilst I do have my issues with the patriarchy and how I get around in life, I have found that having a great group of friends who have similar ideas around the patriarchy and gendered norms is a great salve.</p>
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		<title>By: bolickrn</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/06/25/on-aging-a-commenter-roundtable/comment-page-1/#comment-89185</link>
		<dc:creator>bolickrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grew up watching and listening to my mother worrying over her age and appearance. Wrinkles, sagging, graying, less energy, etc. She&#039;s 52 now, and she&#039;ll talk about how she wishes she were 5, 10, 15 years younger. That always brings me up short, because she was just as preoccupied with her aging at those points in her life as she is now.

I&#039;m still in my earlier twenties, and I haven&#039;t experienced much of aging, but my experiences with my mother make me not want to care about it. It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t notice any physical flaws or ailments (I started getting gray hairs at the age of seventeen, and if I hadn&#039;t noticed them straight away, the relentless teenage teasing would have clued me in, and I&#039;ve had problems with my knees and ankles since around the same time), but there&#039;s a voice in the back of my head that chants, &quot;Don&#039;t worry. Later, you&#039;re going to miss this age and these so-called &#039;problems.&#039;&quot; That voice has helped me get over whatever aging issues I&#039;ve had. 

Changing the subject over to health care power of attorney: I don&#039;t care what your age is, I highly recommend getting one. And more importantly, I highly recommend assigning someone who is not emotionally close to you. Working in the health care field, I have seen a number of cases where the POA was unable to carry out the patient&#039;s wishes. It&#039;s always difficult to have to make the decisions for a loved one, even if that loved one has already told you what they do and do not want done. When the time comes, the POA may find themselves pressured by other family wishes or overcome with their own emotions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up watching and listening to my mother worrying over her age and appearance. Wrinkles, sagging, graying, less energy, etc. She&#8217;s 52 now, and she&#8217;ll talk about how she wishes she were 5, 10, 15 years younger. That always brings me up short, because she was just as preoccupied with her aging at those points in her life as she is now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still in my earlier twenties, and I haven&#8217;t experienced much of aging, but my experiences with my mother make me not want to care about it. It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t notice any physical flaws or ailments (I started getting gray hairs at the age of seventeen, and if I hadn&#8217;t noticed them straight away, the relentless teenage teasing would have clued me in, and I&#8217;ve had problems with my knees and ankles since around the same time), but there&#8217;s a voice in the back of my head that chants, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry. Later, you&#8217;re going to miss this age and these so-called &#8216;problems.&#8217;&#8221; That voice has helped me get over whatever aging issues I&#8217;ve had. </p>
<p>Changing the subject over to health care power of attorney: I don&#8217;t care what your age is, I highly recommend getting one. And more importantly, I highly recommend assigning someone who is not emotionally close to you. Working in the health care field, I have seen a number of cases where the POA was unable to carry out the patient&#8217;s wishes. It&#8217;s always difficult to have to make the decisions for a loved one, even if that loved one has already told you what they do and do not want done. When the time comes, the POA may find themselves pressured by other family wishes or overcome with their own emotions.</p>
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		<title>By: veganmarcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganmarcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ms. M - I think it&#039;s essentially the female draft. American men have gotten drafted in past wars, but women were always drafted for family emergencies or even non-emergency overall caretaking. It&#039;s so assumed to be the norm that it doesn&#039;t get the support it should, especially when people have to take leave, or leave their jobs entirely (I still haven&#039;t found a new one), on top of women already making less $$ per dollar in the work world and getting hired and promoted less because they are assumed to be default caretakers for the young or the elderly. The system is so weighted, y&#039;know?

And it&#039;s not just when someone is in dire medical need, it&#039;s also when they need some more help overall and so that means someone living nearby or with them to get that done. And yes, your sister = my brother, although I also have my own fractious history with my mother that we&#039;ve tried to work on over the years. Difference being, I am more expected to check in on her whether we&#039;re getting along or not, and my brother can limit that to some general-conversation basic phonecalls from far away and maybe a holiday visit. With no societal expectation that he do more. It&#039;s not even expecting someone else to be more involved as a default alternative, it&#039;s more that the caretaking situation being asked about regularly would at least acknowledge the work *itself* being done. Like how a lot of men middle-aged and older still expect if their parents moved in, their wife would be the one looking after her in-laws, even though she&#039;s not related. It&#039;s just assumed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ms. M &#8211; I think it&#8217;s essentially the female draft. American men have gotten drafted in past wars, but women were always drafted for family emergencies or even non-emergency overall caretaking. It&#8217;s so assumed to be the norm that it doesn&#8217;t get the support it should, especially when people have to take leave, or leave their jobs entirely (I still haven&#8217;t found a new one), on top of women already making less $$ per dollar in the work world and getting hired and promoted less because they are assumed to be default caretakers for the young or the elderly. The system is so weighted, y&#8217;know?</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not just when someone is in dire medical need, it&#8217;s also when they need some more help overall and so that means someone living nearby or with them to get that done. And yes, your sister = my brother, although I also have my own fractious history with my mother that we&#8217;ve tried to work on over the years. Difference being, I am more expected to check in on her whether we&#8217;re getting along or not, and my brother can limit that to some general-conversation basic phonecalls from far away and maybe a holiday visit. With no societal expectation that he do more. It&#8217;s not even expecting someone else to be more involved as a default alternative, it&#8217;s more that the caretaking situation being asked about regularly would at least acknowledge the work *itself* being done. Like how a lot of men middle-aged and older still expect if their parents moved in, their wife would be the one looking after her in-laws, even though she&#8217;s not related. It&#8217;s just assumed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@veganmarcy So true about being prepared.  It is like being drafted.  When I was 22 and just married and husband and I had moved across the country after college to San Francisco, my brother in Berkeley was hit by a car.  I had to quit my job and help care for him for a year (both his legs were broken pretty badly). I was the only family nearby and I had intense pressure to do the caretaking. 

With my parents, I&#039;ve kept open communication.  If my mom needed more care and my siblings closer couldn&#039;t provide it, she could move in with us or we could get her an apt. close by. We get along well enough that we could make it work.  My sister would never help, she and my mom have a fractious relationship and she couldn&#039;t handle the stress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@veganmarcy So true about being prepared.  It is like being drafted.  When I was 22 and just married and husband and I had moved across the country after college to San Francisco, my brother in Berkeley was hit by a car.  I had to quit my job and help care for him for a year (both his legs were broken pretty badly). I was the only family nearby and I had intense pressure to do the caretaking. </p>
<p>With my parents, I&#8217;ve kept open communication.  If my mom needed more care and my siblings closer couldn&#8217;t provide it, she could move in with us or we could get her an apt. close by. We get along well enough that we could make it work.  My sister would never help, she and my mom have a fractious relationship and she couldn&#8217;t handle the stress.</p>
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		<title>By: mischiefmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischiefmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 21:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Becky:  It&#039;s true, a prolonged old age spent in hospitals is not what any of us wants.  When our son was doing his bioethics practicum, the great majority of the people he saw were elderly folks in the ER who were now on all kinds of life support despite the treatments being essentially futile.  And the families were arguing about what to do if the patient wasn&#039;t able to decide for him/herself.  The guilt that results from being the one who directs the doctors to end life support must be dreadful, but keeping a terminally ill person technically &quot;alive&quot; isn&#039;t a happy decision either.  I myself hope I die at home in bed.  

Another thing I&#039;ve noticed about aging is that you become invisible.  It&#039;s not a pleasant feeling to be on the street and have people look right through you.  I&#039;ve taken to smiling at strangers in defense.

Do you know this song?  Mr MM and I hope we never end up in a living situation that doesn&#039;t include people of all ages and types-watching the cycle o9f life is a wonderful thing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfwGkplB_sY

My husband says that the worst thing about aging is that he can&#039;t eat as much as he used to.  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Becky:  It&#8217;s true, a prolonged old age spent in hospitals is not what any of us wants.  When our son was doing his bioethics practicum, the great majority of the people he saw were elderly folks in the ER who were now on all kinds of life support despite the treatments being essentially futile.  And the families were arguing about what to do if the patient wasn&#8217;t able to decide for him/herself.  The guilt that results from being the one who directs the doctors to end life support must be dreadful, but keeping a terminally ill person technically &#8220;alive&#8221; isn&#8217;t a happy decision either.  I myself hope I die at home in bed.  </p>
<p>Another thing I&#8217;ve noticed about aging is that you become invisible.  It&#8217;s not a pleasant feeling to be on the street and have people look right through you.  I&#8217;ve taken to smiling at strangers in defense.</p>
<p>Do you know this song?  Mr MM and I hope we never end up in a living situation that doesn&#8217;t include people of all ages and types-watching the cycle o9f life is a wonderful thing!<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfwGkplB_sY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfwGkplB_sY</a></p>
<p>My husband says that the worst thing about aging is that he can&#8217;t eat as much as he used to.  <img src='http://www.harpyness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: veganmarcy</title>
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		<dc:creator>veganmarcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was really great to be a part of this roundtable, I tend to be &quot;read-only&quot; instead of commenting on most sites but this site is worth the interaction. 

As for feminism and caretaking, I see it mostly left up to the women in my family generation after generation, despite the being generations of strong feminists in my family. So you may be in your 20s (or 30s) now, or living across the country, but what do you do if a loved one needs more help than you can give in a visit? What do you do if you have an aging relative, especially a parent, and would like to be around them more and vice versa (have them know their grandkids well, and so on)? The USA is a very large country with crap health and social care infrastructure and frankly you may be called to caretaking duty at any moment, it&#039;s kind of like being drafted. So I would highly encourage you to keep that in mind when making financial and other commitments, or buying a place, or whatever. Basically, what you are and aren&#039;t going to do, and how you&#039;re going to support that decision. Because unfortunately it&#039;s usually impossible to force others to take up their share of the work. Also, aging women are more likely, I find, to share info about needing help with their female children and grandchildren than with the male ones, so the males are inherently more left out of the loop and end up focusing more on their career or whatever instead. It&#039;s a vicious cycle than needs to be broken, starting with how we raise our boys in this country.
/rant

On my end I bought a house (back when I had a job, sigh) to be able to move back where I&#039;m from, and while I thought my mom might be staying there much later on, maybe temporarily while recovering from an illness or injury, I never pictured that 6 months after moving in, my mom would move in with me without a clear end date to that arrangement. In some ways it&#039;s been to my benefit too, but it&#039;s been quite an adjustment, and I spend every single day on major sorting and related projects for her. I&#039;m hoping that calms down after a few months, so far not much time for my own life.  And I lived across the country very independently for years, so again, you never know when your life will change, you know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was really great to be a part of this roundtable, I tend to be &#8220;read-only&#8221; instead of commenting on most sites but this site is worth the interaction. </p>
<p>As for feminism and caretaking, I see it mostly left up to the women in my family generation after generation, despite the being generations of strong feminists in my family. So you may be in your 20s (or 30s) now, or living across the country, but what do you do if a loved one needs more help than you can give in a visit? What do you do if you have an aging relative, especially a parent, and would like to be around them more and vice versa (have them know their grandkids well, and so on)? The USA is a very large country with crap health and social care infrastructure and frankly you may be called to caretaking duty at any moment, it&#8217;s kind of like being drafted. So I would highly encourage you to keep that in mind when making financial and other commitments, or buying a place, or whatever. Basically, what you are and aren&#8217;t going to do, and how you&#8217;re going to support that decision. Because unfortunately it&#8217;s usually impossible to force others to take up their share of the work. Also, aging women are more likely, I find, to share info about needing help with their female children and grandchildren than with the male ones, so the males are inherently more left out of the loop and end up focusing more on their career or whatever instead. It&#8217;s a vicious cycle than needs to be broken, starting with how we raise our boys in this country.<br />
/rant</p>
<p>On my end I bought a house (back when I had a job, sigh) to be able to move back where I&#8217;m from, and while I thought my mom might be staying there much later on, maybe temporarily while recovering from an illness or injury, I never pictured that 6 months after moving in, my mom would move in with me without a clear end date to that arrangement. In some ways it&#8217;s been to my benefit too, but it&#8217;s been quite an adjustment, and I spend every single day on major sorting and related projects for her. I&#8217;m hoping that calms down after a few months, so far not much time for my own life.  And I lived across the country very independently for years, so again, you never know when your life will change, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Mama sharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mama sharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t sell out just because you are actually starting to age!  Have courage.  I may have bags under my eyes but I hold an upper level leadership role in a profession that matters. I can do a hundred push ups and row my scull through rough cold water with little fear.  My friends who love me come from all age and communities and for some of them I made a real impact on their lives.  I&#039;m not bragging but life is richer as you go not a sad and steady decline. Even with eye bags you could carry laundry in- life is sweet]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t sell out just because you are actually starting to age!  Have courage.  I may have bags under my eyes but I hold an upper level leadership role in a profession that matters. I can do a hundred push ups and row my scull through rough cold water with little fear.  My friends who love me come from all age and communities and for some of them I made a real impact on their lives.  I&#8217;m not bragging but life is richer as you go not a sad and steady decline. Even with eye bags you could carry laundry in- life is sweet</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Anelle</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/06/25/on-aging-a-commenter-roundtable/comment-page-1/#comment-89134</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Anelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am acutely aware of my age, but I think that part of that is the whole &quot;ZOMG YOU&#039;RE A WOMAN NEAR 30&quot; crap that society keeps feeding me combined with the 25 year olds at my office doing botox.

BOTOX.  AT 25.  AS &quot;PREVENTION&quot;.  That&#039;s how fucked up we&#039;ve gotten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am acutely aware of my age, but I think that part of that is the whole &#8220;ZOMG YOU&#8217;RE A WOMAN NEAR 30&#8243; crap that society keeps feeding me combined with the 25 year olds at my office doing botox.</p>
<p>BOTOX.  AT 25.  AS &#8220;PREVENTION&#8221;.  That&#8217;s how fucked up we&#8217;ve gotten.</p>
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