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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;One Parent or Five?&#8221;: Rambling Thoughts on a Conservative Report</title>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89776</link>
		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 13:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Privileging biology over this kind of support and love is dismissive and discriminatory towards the millions of families that do not fit into your &quot;ideal&quot; mother-father nuclear unit. You are telling the children raised by grandparents, adoptive parents, single parents and, yes, same-sex parents that we are worth less than other children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s really a lovely, lovely letter Mackey. Thanks so much for sharing the link!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Privileging biology over this kind of support and love is dismissive and discriminatory towards the millions of families that do not fit into your &#8220;ideal&#8221; mother-father nuclear unit. You are telling the children raised by grandparents, adoptive parents, single parents and, yes, same-sex parents that we are worth less than other children.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s really a lovely, lovely letter Mackey. Thanks so much for sharing the link!</p>
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		<title>By: Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89772</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A group called &quot;Doctors for the Family&quot; wrote a rather offensive submission about how same sex parents and family structures are not as good as hetero parents and family structures.

In response to that submission, a group of 20/30 years olds, who were all raised in a same sex family environment, wrote a fantastic piece debunking the myths propogated in that submission. Have a look here: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4012552.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A group called &#8220;Doctors for the Family&#8221; wrote a rather offensive submission about how same sex parents and family structures are not as good as hetero parents and family structures.</p>
<p>In response to that submission, a group of 20/30 years olds, who were all raised in a same sex family environment, wrote a fantastic piece debunking the myths propogated in that submission. Have a look here: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4012552.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4012552.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89761</link>
		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Drahill, I honestly don&#039;t know enough about adoption law, policy, and practice, to opinionate on the topic of open/closed adoptions. It has always seemed -- from an outsider perspective -- that the more open the process the clearer the air. I don&#039;t see a lot of issues with making it possible for children to know the circumstances of their biological creation as they desire that information (especially if legal processes are in place to ensure their caregivers don&#039;t feel threatened by this openness). Secrecy is usually not a great psychological thing in the long run.

What&#039;s fascinating to me -- having spent some time on the Family Scholars Blog and reading this report -- is the way Marquardt seems to put special pressure on LGBTQ parents to keep their reproductive decisions open. As if a) LGBTQ parents are more likely to be secretive -- in my experience they&#039;re more likely to be open, because it&#039;s obvious from the get-go they can&#039;t have reproduced as a biological pair -- and b) as if they represent the overwhelming number of adoptive/assisted reproductive parents. When this simply isn&#039;t the case. We&#039;re called a minority for a statistical reason, and even within the queer community we don&#039;t all choose to reproduce!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drahill, I honestly don&#8217;t know enough about adoption law, policy, and practice, to opinionate on the topic of open/closed adoptions. It has always seemed &#8212; from an outsider perspective &#8212; that the more open the process the clearer the air. I don&#8217;t see a lot of issues with making it possible for children to know the circumstances of their biological creation as they desire that information (especially if legal processes are in place to ensure their caregivers don&#8217;t feel threatened by this openness). Secrecy is usually not a great psychological thing in the long run.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s fascinating to me &#8212; having spent some time on the Family Scholars Blog and reading this report &#8212; is the way Marquardt seems to put special pressure on LGBTQ parents to keep their reproductive decisions open. As if a) LGBTQ parents are more likely to be secretive &#8212; in my experience they&#8217;re more likely to be open, because it&#8217;s obvious from the get-go they can&#8217;t have reproduced as a biological pair &#8212; and b) as if they represent the overwhelming number of adoptive/assisted reproductive parents. When this simply isn&#8217;t the case. We&#8217;re called a minority for a statistical reason, and even within the queer community we don&#8217;t all choose to reproduce!</p>
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		<title>By: Drahill</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89760</link>
		<dc:creator>Drahill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t really find the biology arguments for hetero-bio parenting above all convincing. I do think that bio-parentage is interesting, however, in the legal context. With Obama as president, there have been a lot of rumblings that, with a second term, he may try to propose ratification of the UN Declaration on the Rights of the Child.

The Declaration&#039;s language is pretty vague, but parts of it refer to a child&#039;s right to &quot;parents&quot; (who this is, it never says) and more interestingly, the right to Identity, Nationality, etc. There are a lot of legal scholars who have proposed that the Declaration could, if read a certain way, codify not a preference for bio-parents but grant any child the right to access. Some LGBT organizations express concern that it may, if read a certain way, end anonymous gamete donor (in effect, all donors would have to become known donors). 

Part of these arguments that I dislike is that the argument over parentage is always phrased in a way that it argues over the superior or equal forms of parentage from the perspective of the government or adults. There is a lot of literature out there that discusses parentage from the vested rights view of the child - what parent(s) the child should have a right to, what the child is entitled to as matter of right. Its far more interesting than the bio-essentialism that people still seem to keep pushing on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really find the biology arguments for hetero-bio parenting above all convincing. I do think that bio-parentage is interesting, however, in the legal context. With Obama as president, there have been a lot of rumblings that, with a second term, he may try to propose ratification of the UN Declaration on the Rights of the Child.</p>
<p>The Declaration&#8217;s language is pretty vague, but parts of it refer to a child&#8217;s right to &#8220;parents&#8221; (who this is, it never says) and more interestingly, the right to Identity, Nationality, etc. There are a lot of legal scholars who have proposed that the Declaration could, if read a certain way, codify not a preference for bio-parents but grant any child the right to access. Some LGBT organizations express concern that it may, if read a certain way, end anonymous gamete donor (in effect, all donors would have to become known donors). </p>
<p>Part of these arguments that I dislike is that the argument over parentage is always phrased in a way that it argues over the superior or equal forms of parentage from the perspective of the government or adults. There is a lot of literature out there that discusses parentage from the vested rights view of the child &#8211; what parent(s) the child should have a right to, what the child is entitled to as matter of right. Its far more interesting than the bio-essentialism that people still seem to keep pushing on.</p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89759</link>
		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@wondering hehe -- yeah, like this is a new thing. I know! Even if you only look back at the Lesbian Baby Boom of the 80s, or the women in the 70s who left hetero marriages and established long-term relationships (and households) with other women ... that&#039;s a lot of grown children of non-straight parents who can speak about their experiences. I think part of the problem is that those folks aren&#039;t necessarily speaking to the anti-gay-marriage folks (for obvious reasons).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wondering hehe &#8212; yeah, like this is a new thing. I know! Even if you only look back at the Lesbian Baby Boom of the 80s, or the women in the 70s who left hetero marriages and established long-term relationships (and households) with other women &#8230; that&#8217;s a lot of grown children of non-straight parents who can speak about their experiences. I think part of the problem is that those folks aren&#8217;t necessarily speaking to the anti-gay-marriage folks (for obvious reasons).</p>
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		<title>By: wondering</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89758</link>
		<dc:creator>wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Children of same sex parents have ALREADY come of age and ALREADY speak out in support of their parents - as I recall, a very eloquent young man spoke out to the Iowa House Democrats not that long ago. How many examples is she holding out for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iae-z9i7U-Y]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children of same sex parents have ALREADY come of age and ALREADY speak out in support of their parents &#8211; as I recall, a very eloquent young man spoke out to the Iowa House Democrats not that long ago. How many examples is she holding out for?<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iae-z9i7U-Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iae-z9i7U-Y</a></p>
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		<title>By: annajcook</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89756</link>
		<dc:creator>annajcook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The original subtitle of this post was &quot;confusing form with function&quot; which wasn&#039;t very descriptive (hence the change) but DID express a lot of what I think is going on here. People who are wary of diversity and/or social change see new structures and ascribe a causal relationship between new forms and outcomes they dislike. Yet just saying &quot;this family doesn&#039;t look the way I expect it to, and there&#039;s a poor outcome, the two must be related!&quot; isn&#039;t good enough. You actually have to figure out what&#039;s contributing to the poor outcome.

This is pretty much exactly what happened with the Regnerus study on &quot;gay and lesbian&quot; parenting which wasn&#039;t about that at all; he designed the study on the assumption that a person&#039;s sexual orientation and/or behavior is related to their ability to provide their children with a space for well-being and healthy growth. That&#039;s an assumption that, in fact, would need to be supported by evidence rather than just be read as fact. (One reason why the study is now being audited and was recently recommended for retraction).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original subtitle of this post was &#8220;confusing form with function&#8221; which wasn&#8217;t very descriptive (hence the change) but DID express a lot of what I think is going on here. People who are wary of diversity and/or social change see new structures and ascribe a causal relationship between new forms and outcomes they dislike. Yet just saying &#8220;this family doesn&#8217;t look the way I expect it to, and there&#8217;s a poor outcome, the two must be related!&#8221; isn&#8217;t good enough. You actually have to figure out what&#8217;s contributing to the poor outcome.</p>
<p>This is pretty much exactly what happened with the Regnerus study on &#8220;gay and lesbian&#8221; parenting which wasn&#8217;t about that at all; he designed the study on the assumption that a person&#8217;s sexual orientation and/or behavior is related to their ability to provide their children with a space for well-being and healthy growth. That&#8217;s an assumption that, in fact, would need to be supported by evidence rather than just be read as fact. (One reason why the study is now being audited and was recently recommended for retraction).</p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
		<link>http://www.harpyness.com/2012/07/31/one-parent-or-five/comment-page-1/#comment-89755</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get so pissed off when I see another example of an idiot with a small mind that puts on blinders every day when they venture outside.  Marquardt needs to join us all in the current century.  Here&#039;s a clue for her- and it&#039;s pretty simple.  It takes love to raise a child.  A child doesn&#039;t care whether the source is straight, single, male or female, gay, a couple, families or the freaking VILLAGE. All love is equal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get so pissed off when I see another example of an idiot with a small mind that puts on blinders every day when they venture outside.  Marquardt needs to join us all in the current century.  Here&#8217;s a clue for her- and it&#8217;s pretty simple.  It takes love to raise a child.  A child doesn&#8217;t care whether the source is straight, single, male or female, gay, a couple, families or the freaking VILLAGE. All love is equal.</p>
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